Debrief Episode 41 October 15, 2026

Expert to Novice Again: Starting Over as an Attending, Student & a "Soft" Nurse

Every career in healthcare includes fresh starts.

Show Notes

Every career in healthcare includes fresh starts. Some are planned, like becoming an attending after years of training. Some are chosen, like leaving the bedside or going back to school. In this episode, three former ICU teammates describe what starting over has actually been like.


    Hosts & guests
    - Abby, NP of 8 years and the one still holding down the ICU
    - Kaleigh, nurse of 18 years who moved from the CICU to an oncology clinic
    - Allison, former ICU and ECMO nurse, now a full-time perfusion student
    - Dr. Armando, critical care physician and new attending after 14 years of training

      Timestamps
      03:25 Armando on becoming an attending and learning to run a practice
      05:09 ICU to outpatient: do you miss the adrenaline?
      07:43 Allison on going back to school as a perfusion student
      10:16 The novice-to-expert continuum, and why you’ll keep moving along it
      15:02 Monday–Friday life, PTO, and finally having weekends
      16:53 What a predictable schedule changes
      21:35 Abby’s fear of being bored outside the ICU
      22:53 Burnout, heavier patient loads, and shifting priorities
      24:49 Mental health after stepping away from ICU trauma
      26:02 Missing ICU camaraderie and building a new team culture
      29:07 The first “I’m really the attending” moment
      31:03 Why writing the orders is harder than asking for them
      33:18 Changing fields, student loans, and resetting your lifestyle
      40:59 ICU ego and owning your “soft nurse era”
      42:59 Patient relationships outside the ICU
      47:37 Advice for anyone starting something new
      50:06 Wrap-up: they all left Abby behind

        Key takeaways
        - Moving from expert to novice is a normal part of any new role. It doesn’t mean you’ve lost your expertise.
        - Leadership and running a practice are separate skills from clinical medicine, and training rarely covers them.
        - A healthy dose of fear is useful. Overconfidence is what makes a clinician dangerous (see our earlier Dunning-Kruger episode).
        - A slower setting can still be hard. The challenges are just different.

          Advice from the guests
          Armando: Keep a notebook. At the end of each day, write down what you didn’t know and how you handled it.
          Kaleigh: Tell people you’re new and ask questions freely. Set up an organization system before day one.
          Allison: Get organized and build in stress relief. You learn better when you aren’t running on empty.

Tags

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Cast & Guests

Kaleigh

Kaleigh

BSN, RN

Abby

Abby

DNP, AGAC-NP

Cody

Cody

RN

Dr. Armando

Dr. Armando

MD

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